In a recent podcast episode, Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist and Donald Trump’s niece analyzes the psychology of her uncle’s lies and discusses the potential for her cousins to betray their father.
Mary Trump Spoke Out About Ivanka’s Relationship With Her Father
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During the podcast, Mary Trump suggested that Ivanka could potentially be the first of former President Trump’s children to “flip” on him.
Mary said Ivanka is the “most calculating” of Trump’s three oldest children and is smarter than them.
All of Trump’s Family Members Are “Transactional” in Their Dealings With People
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“All of Trump’s family members are ‘transactional’ in their dealings with people, but Ivanka is more ‘transactional’ compared to her siblings,” she continued.
Trump Would “Throw Ivanka Under the Bus”
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Mary strongly implied that her uncle is also “transactional.”
“If Donald [Trump] felt that it would do him any good, he would throw Ivanka under the bus, but … that won’t get him anywhere,” discerned Trump’s niece.
Ivanka Will “Flip” on Father as “She Has More to Gain”
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Mary expressed her belief that Ivanka might “flip” on the former president because she recognizes “she has more to gain,” given her marriage to Jared Kushner, a wealthy businessman.
Kushner Makes More in Business Dealings With Saudi Arabia
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Furthermore, Mary pointed out that Ivanka’s husband Kushner, who manages a private equity firm, generated significantly more wealth through his business dealings with Saudi Arabia than their relationship with Ivanka’s father.
Ivanka “Doesn’t Need Daddy to Keep Her.”
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Ivanka “doesn’t need daddy to keep her,” explained Mary in the podcast. “…her brothers are totally dependent on him [Donald Trump] for their wealth, and their identity is entirely wrapped in his political and business life at this point,”
“That’s not at all true for his older daughter,” she added.
Ivanka “Focused on Other Pursuits”
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In an interview with Business Insider earlier this year, Mary Trump indicated her belief that Ivanka Trump, her first cousin, has her attention directed towards different pursuits.
Mary said in the interview, “I think she and her husband are more interested in staying away long enough in the hopes that people forget what horrible human beings they are…”
Ivanka’s “Fantasy to Reemerge Into New York High Society”
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Mary went on to say, “…and then they have this fantasy that they’re going to be able to reemerge into New York high society or something.”
“I Love My Father, and I Love My Country. Today, I Am Pained for Both.”
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Nonetheless, Ivanka has been cautious in her public statements and social media posts regarding her father’s various trials. Earlier this year, when Trump faced indictment in New York City on state charges linked to his payment to Stormy Daniels, Ivanka Trump expressed her feelings carefully by stating, “I love my father, and I love my country. Today, I am pained for both. I appreciate the voices across the political spectrum expressing support and concern.”
Legal Questions Raised in NY Fraud Case Over the Cost of Ivanka’s Penthouse
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However, Ivanka has recently been dragged into her father’s NY fraud trial. Will this lead her to “flip” on her father?
The New York Attorney General’s office had previously questioned Donald Bender, who served as Trump’s former accountant at Mazars, regarding the cost of a penthouse apartment leased by Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka Trump.
During the New York Fraud Trial, Bender testified that his job did not involve auditing Trump’s financial statements. Still, he did “from time to time” bring errors in financial documents to the attention of Trump Organization officials.
Value on Trump’s Financial Schedule Did Not Match Ivanka Trump’s “Option to Buy”
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Bender recalled highlighting an error related to Ivanka Trump’s option to buy a penthouse apartment at Trump Park Avenue. He noted that the value recorded on Trump’s financial schedule differed from what was stated in Ivanka Trump’s option.
Ivanka Was Listed as a Defendant in the NY Fraud Trial
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Ivanka Trump was one of the defendants listed in the NY attorney general’s initial lawsuit. However, she was later removed by an appeals court.
Court Order Dismissed the Claims Against Ivanka Trump as Untimely
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The court order dismissed the allegations against Ivanka Trump, deeming them “untimely,” as it determined that she was not a part of the August 2021 agreement between James’ office and the Trump Organization to toll the statute of limitations.
Trump’s Niece Says Trump Is an “Anti-American Traitor Who Tried to Steal the Election.”
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Mary Trump further lashed out at her uncle in the “I’ve Had It” podcast, declaring, “Trump is a racist, homophobic anti-American traitor who tried to steal the election,”
“While the media portrayed President Joe Biden as one ‘too old’ for office, one must also recognize that Trump is also old,” she said.
Having a Crazy Uncle Is a Lottery She Would Want to Lose
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She also stated that having a “crazy uncle” would have been a “lottery she would have been more than happy to lose.”
“It seems like we all do have at least one of those in our family, and it’s really taking a toll,” Mary admitted.
Does Trump Believe His Own Lies?
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Mary Trump then went on to analyze Donald Trump’s ability to lie over and over again and actually believe his own lies. Mary said, “If he can only win by lying, cheating and stealing, that’s okay,” she said, because he believes he deserves it.
“…. he kind of gaslights himself over time, and that’s because the alternative is conceding that he’s a loser,” she stated.
Trump Buys So Thoroughly Into the Lie That He Does Believe It on Some Level
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According to his niece, the former president is so deeply invested in the lies that he genuinely believes them to some extent. She also noted that this is why he can be persuasive to those who are open to believing him. However, Mary asserted that she can discern “when he is lying.”
Inject a Lie With a Little Bit of Authenticity
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“If he can inject the lie with even a little bit of authenticity, he’ll do it, so you know a lot of this is operating on the unconscious level, but the truth of the matter is he both knows and doesn’t allow himself to know,” Mary concluded.
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